As we returned to our starting point alongside Villanovas smart, modern terminal, we allowed the PT6s to cool for the required two minutes before securing the airplane. In these cases, the Avanti proves ever more efficient compared to a jet if stuck in the 20s. During the descent, we briefed for some stalls, the handling qualities of which Villi was obviously keen to show me. Yes, it does have three lifting surfaces, a T-tail and two pusher propellers but its how they are put together that is the important thing. In the process it doesnt hurt one bit that the Avanti II just so happens to be one of the sleekest and most beautiful airplanes ever built. No furloughs or termination?? The folks behind Piaggio have long claimed that the Avanti is exceptionally quiet inside, throwing out a 68 dBA number that never seemed credible. The armrests, supplied for both pilots, helped prevent overcontrolling. Interestingly, the windscreen de-fog system is set up for single- In simpler terms, that means the engines maintain their 850 shaft horsepower to a higher altitude thereby increasing true airspeed of the airplane through the thinner air. Taking back control as we lined up, Villi held the brakes using the top of the toe pedals, advanced the power levers to 97.6 percent, and we accelerated briskly to 120 knots. There is no elevator in it; hence, its not a canard. He then lowered the seat and sat down. Cash is cash, and paying another charter company would sink cash. departed the aircraft. But it didn't help in the fact VNR was born in the Decade from hell. I have only been an owner for a short time but the flights I have taken have been flawless;The pilots seemed happy and very professional. He said the airplane was slightly right of the runway centerline and that there was a right crosswind. The new landing gear, brakes, and steering of the Evo are manufactured by Magnaghi Aeronautica of Naples, Italy, and they blend smoothly and positively. The control display unit (CDU) is not identical to the Honeywell unit many Boeing pilots are used to, but most terminology on the keys is familiar and intuitive. They are a public company and having your fleet grounded is a material issue yet they are not disclosing this issue as far as I can tell. But it was not his fault that it. I stayed on the flight director as we climbed, quickly getting into IMC and getting rapid-fire climb-and-maintain clearances along the way. Avantair has retained safety expert Nick Sabatini to oversee the project. As we approached this, Lorenzo increased the back pressure and stopped trimming at 1.5 times the stall speed. The external baggage area is not pressurized. They are completely disconnected from operations and maintenance and some in the operation would argue 'reality' should be added to that list. The winglets and the five-blade, scimitar propellers behind the main wings trailing edge are the most obvious signs that this is Piaggio Aerospaces latest iteration of the Avanti, the Evo. So last saturday I was scheduled to fly from Dallas to Las Vegas at noon. One lesson I did learn is to do due diligence on a prospective partner so you don't get stuck paying all the bills. Where the two designs are in accord is that they are both largely stall proof. Grant has been flying the Avanti for years with thousands of hours of experience in the airplane, much of it under typical charterlike conditions. Landing the P.180, as Id heard previously, is interesting in that the attitude is very flat. But as soon as Lorenzo released the back pressure and added power, the aircraft recovered and we were flying at 140 knots. Using the rudder pedal steering in taxi mode, the feeling is very direct. They are understandably bitter and we don't blame them.). Did the Captain make a huge mistake doing a fast post flight after a butt-chewing from an owner? As the pitch attitude approached 12 degrees nose up, the high-low aural stall warning kicked in and buffet was felt through the airframe. While canard configurations like the Beechcraft Starship were gaining a lot of attention back then, the exotic Avanti begged to be even more different with its three-lifting-surface arrangement versus the canards tail-forward setup. He placed his left foot at the base of the carpet behind the central instrument panel and stepped forward with his right, placing his foot inboard of the control column and gracefully followed with his left. In reality, the P.180 is a fast, sophisticated, high-flying airplane that requires the same kinds of skills and training as any single-pilot business jet. Safety is Avantairs top priority. Mr. Sabatini previously was the top career official at the FAA. Luckily it was 2007 and we sold it just before the crash. It's because they MUST do it. Merry Christmas, kool-aid drinkers. This kind of range makes the P.180 a great bet as a regional airplane or one thats based in the Midwest. The Avanti takes that formula and pushes it to the design edge, achieving that performance with a great deal less power than in comparable jet products and with the best cabin in the class by a long shot. If anyone has any insight please share it. From the beginning, Piaggio Aero intended the Avanti to be a turboprop that played in the same niche as light jets but with better economy and a larger cabin. FlightAware General. Had Chuck Yeager and Sully Sullenburger, himself, flown the aircraft, the result would have been the same. Discretion being the better part of valor, I extended the gear early and reduced speed to deploy the flaps, intending to stabilize nice and early so I could concentrate on flying as accurately as possible. The plan for my flight was to climb to 30,000 up to the Wichita VOR to do something Id never done before, an RVSM check. Findings as to risk: The sense of deceleration is noticeable, and I quickly lowered pitch to five degrees nose down and accelerated toward the Vmo of 260 knots. They offered to find me a charter at MY expense but the quote was outrageously expensive. The Avanti is has been around since 1990, providing the luxury of a jet with the versatility of a turbo prop. The seats are finished in black leather with the owners initials embossed into the headrest and with a cabin height of 5.74 ft, it is comfortable to move around the full length. It has delivered nearly 200. Max cruise speed / 400 KTAS I followed the start procedure with one eye as I did this and observed Villi checking the power lever at idle, switching on the fuel pump, and setting the start switch to start. At 13 percent Ng, he moved the condition lever to ground idle with the starter switch shut off at 40 percent Ng and the power lever to flight idle. Deviating from ICAO-compliant English, the controller told us, Piste libre before we lined up and discussed the departure. In other words two failures and occured. If you feel this information is incomplete or incorrect, you can. We are enhancing our maintenance and operational infrastructure so that it surpasses every standard that applies to the aircraft we fly. We were cleared through 8,000 feet very quickly and then up to FL350, set up using the flight guidance panel (FGP) on the glareshield and appearing in cyan in the top right hand side of the PFD. If not, we hope that you find safe, efficient, and cost-effective travel options in the future. At 73 inches across, the width allows for great shoulder room, easy entry though the airstair door and a very comfy hard-door lavatory. The seat is raised or lowered with a lever outboard to provide a view that should just about look down onto the top of the glareshield. The contract includes ten strict orders with options for 40 more. Villi started the starboard Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-66B as I settled in and set up my voice recording device and GoPro camera connected via a splitter cable to my headset. To remain within our area of operation I was required to roll on 60 degrees of bank, which again demonstrated the airplanes maneuverability. The crew brought a crippled aircraft safely to the runway, but departed the runway with the crosswind condition. The Aviation Safety Network is an exclusive service provided by: The twin-engine airplane departed 23 minutes behind schedule to pick up passengers at an intermediate airport. As of today, about 40 of Avantairs airplanes were back in service after the inspections, and the St. Petersburg, Fla.-based company expects to have its entire fleet flying again by Thursday. In ground idle and with power pulled back to idle, the airplane still has a tendency, like many turboprops, to get going too fast, so you need to use beta to keep things slowed down. 2023 Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association, Air Force looks toward automation with Reliable Robotics, Boeing, NASA to develop sustainable airliner. Neither ASN nor the Flight Safety Foundation are responsible for the completeness or correctness of this information. Avantair loves the use of an ops check where the the crew tries to recreate the issue once and the maintenance department ignores it even after repeat issues with that same problem day after day. If anyone in North Florida is interested let me know. With the stick fully back, we reached 100 knots indicated but once again, as I released the back pressure and smoothly applied power, we recovered. Piaggios P180 Avanti created quite a splash with its 1990 certification in the United States. Thats slightly less than 100 gallons per hour, a figure light jets simply cant touch. On Saturday, fractional provider Avantair grounded its entire fleet of about 60 Piaggio Avanti twin turboprops to conduct a comprehensive examination of all maintenance records and aircraft. According to industry sources, the action stemmed from an incident earlier this year in which an Avantair Avanti shed an elevator in flight. Don. The airplane is nicely stable on final. Let me be clear here and confirm that they are just rumors. Now I find out this has been an issue for several days but they have not sent out any communications to the owners mentioning this issue, nor is it mentioned on their website. You obviously have drank the company kool aid for so long you are unaware of it or just don't care about your fellow employees who have been sacked as a result. A CEO and board that has taekn this company into a downward spiralouot of business in 3 monthsnice stock price!! For the past week, we have been undertaking extensive inspections of our fleet and our operating procedures. In the Flint incident, LISTEN TO THE ATC tapes! We rotated at 105 knots, which is pretty darned fast for a turboprop, using about half of the available 7,000 feet at KDTO. Don. At 400 feet, Lorenzo handed me control for my first landing. Could it happen to anyone else? Pete Bedell is a pilot for a major airline and co-owner of a Cessna 172M and Beechcraft Baron D55. The price of the latest Piaggio P180 Avanti EVO is US $ 7.7 Million. There are ten wholly owned Avanti EVOs in operation worldwide, according to JETNET. If materials were a conservative approach, configuration was not. Once having completed that check, we asked for and got a climb to FL 380, a common long-range cruising altitude for the P.180, which has a ceiling of 41,000 feet. The anhedral of the forward wing ensures there is no aerodynamic interference with the engine intakes and assists in stall handling. Villi led a thorough guided tour of the outside of the airplane and explained all of its many unique features. Arriving at the FBO there, the crew were shocked to find the owner and his colleague outside the FBO, on the ramp, unsupervised, waiting for the aircraft to arrive. Here is the sentence: and as I was to taxi, Villi handed over control and released the parking brake by pulling and turning the T handle by his right knee. Ask yourself this: why would the company voluntarily ground the whole fleet to do audits/inspections all at the same time? Vref lists the value of a 1990 P180 at $846,600 ranging up to $6.1 million for a 2019 Avanti Evo. The professional pilots at Avantair greatly appreciate our owners support and contribution to our careers and livelihoods. They "couldnt" find a charter in time (by 2pm as I had to be back), so they put me on American Airlines. The foreplane is essentially a portion of the wing moved to the front to allow the main wing to be moved further aft in order to create a larger cabin. https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2012-10-23/avantair-grounds-entire-fleet-safety-checks, It was ground the fleet for inspection or get shutdown my the FAA. During the takeoff roll, the left elevator departed the airplane and was found off the side of the runway 3 days later. The second records shows a Piaggio P-180 I would have no problem putting my family on a flight with that Captain any day. It pulled the concept off. I just read about the one that flipped, but understand, it is only this issue that has me looking at ntsb reports, it is not something most fractional owners do before every flight. On approach, however, the view is excellent. We would be more than happy to speak with any Colorado based owners who might be looking for an experienced Piaggio crew. Really thinking nothing of it, I booked a flight from LAS to Orange COunty Ca today (coming back tomorrow). The owners got into another Piaggio and flew again. New eVTOL Aircraft Set to Co-exist Alongside Helicopters, Safran Signals 'War for Talent' within Civil Engine Aftermarket, Newly Certified HAL 228 Variant Attracts Indian Lessor, Vision Systems Brings Dimmable-window Solutions to Heli-Expo, Cessna Citation II: The 'Family Truckster', Training Providers Gear Up for AAM Market, A modest proposal to boost general aviation, FAA Should Use Its Nuclear Option To Save Americas Airports, Analyzing the GAMA 1Q10 aircraft delivery numbers, Mid-Year Aerospace & Air Transport Report. Try using low-flow fixtures. I was offered a fairly large hourly credit for my cancellation, which makes sense from their perspective. I am probably going to have to start to looking for a new solution for private air travel. The Avanti feels very stable and is easy to maintain altitude in while hand-flying compared with other airplanes in and around its class. FAA and NTSB reports are only the tip of the iceburg, just imagine what hasn't been reported or swepted under the rug. Reaching ahead between the forward cabin bulkhead, he lifted the left-side pilots seat to provide a clear floor area on which to stand. At that level we were seeing 380 knots or Mach 0.664 on 600 pounds of jet-A per hour, not per side but total. The difference between the two, they say, is that the forward wing, while a lifting surface, is not a controllable one. Occupants can converse easily, as can the pilots. Ill let Peter Garrison work out both the semantics and aerodynamics of the question (if those two disciplines would differ on the subject). The EVO is the latest variant, which hosts a variety of new To begin, VNR has been a great place to work for many furloughed and retired former airline pilots. P180 Avanti Ice and Rain Protection. CLEARWATER, Fla. October 25, 2012 Avantair, Inc. (OTCBB: AAIR), today announced the company is continuing to stand down operations and engaging top aviation experts to help complete a thorough examination of its fleet of nearly 60 Piaggio Avanti aircraft, and a comprehensive review of records and supporting maintenance documentation. We are confident we are laying the groundwork necessary to offer outstanding service and reliability going forward.. Slightly heavy control forces in roll assisted me in flying this accurately. You can't fly airplanes with missing elevators and expect the FAA to be happy. The approach speeds are very fast by turboprop standards. An FAA spokeswoman told me that the grounding was not initiated by the agency, so Im not sure where you got this information. Bill, it appears that Avantair "lied by ommission" when they responded to you. Of course we do. My attempt to follow Villis lead to my right seat was not so graceful. The co-pilot was not fired. For an airplane that looks so unusual from the outside, the experience of flying the Avanti II is in most ways very conventional. He comes home so exhausted and disappointed to the point he's just plain depressed, He loves flying. So to Don, you dont happen to live in Vegas do you? Max range / 1,470 nm. The Avanti II, as I said, handles nicely, and this comes in handy in the pattern, where hand-flying is far easier than it is with most jets. Avantair and the FAA may call it voluntary, but it's all semantics. Furthermore, the required pilot aircraft walkaround or preflight check of the P180 at San Diego before departure to Nevada, could not have missed the absent elevator that had fallen off before arrival, if in fact the preflight had been accomplished at all. : EASA.A.059 Issue: 07 Date: 11 October 2012 1. a) Type P.180 b) Variant Avanti 2. Well, pretty much all sold out. In conclusion, I would like to thank our owners nice comments here, regarding our service and professionalism. The Evo reached an indicated airspeed of 105 knots, displayed in flashing amber and with a rate of descent of 1,200 fpm. At 10:30 I was contacted and told that my flight had been cancelled, and that they would be looking at both charter and commercial flights at their expense. Fastest Turboprop I followed Lorenzos example, if anything being a bit more aggressive with the speed decay. We know this is an extremely difficult period for our loyal employees and frustrating to our devoted owners, said Mr. Santo. Considering the shape of the nose in front of you, this is handy, because the runway stays in easy view the entire time. Theoretically, a newly minted multiengine pilot with a high-altitude endorsement could hop right in and go flying. This airframe, T7-ASG, SN3007 was the first Avanti to be produced at the new manufacturing facility in Villanova DAlbenga, one year after production was moved from Genoa. pilots. I flew with him last month. As it wraps itself around the pointy nose of the P.180, the windshield stretches out for several feet in front of the pilots and wraps back around them tightly. Unlike what I think of as a canard, in the Avanti the elevator is back on the tail and the ailerons are on the trailing edge of the wing, along with some very serious flaps, which are designed to deploy slowly so as not to cause a dramatic pitch change they succeed at that, by the way. The one posted under SEC filings on www.avantair.com shows a sentence between the last and next to last sentences that is missing from your release. These inspections and other actions are still underway. There are more problems than I can fit on this post, but one of the first problems is that these airplanes are flying 2-3 times the hours that Piaggio ever envisioned they would or designed them for. The sharp sweepback of the horizontal stabilizer ensures the elevators cannot be aerodynamically blanked by the main wing during a stall and thus remain effective throughout, and the main wing, with its high aspect ratio, is positioned behind the rear pressure bulkhead so that the spar does not pass through the passenger cabin, giving an uninterrupted length of 14.93 ft. The unique rear mounted turboprop engines makes the Avanti instantly recognisable. Stylish use of mirrors, six good-size windows on either side, and use of light colors ensure the cabin has a roomy feel. The shape, youll see, is not simply for show, though ironically it shows very nicely. He's been flying for 10 years and is available for piaggio owners While I flew, Villi checked the Airplane Flight Manual and the performance graphs corroborated these figures to within a couple of knots at ISA +5. The idea behind the Avanti has always been remarkably simple and completely outside the turboprop box. Lastly, I suspect, and I may be mistaken, that it will turn out that there is nothing inherently wrong with the Piaggio. Fortunately that was in 2007 and we sold it right before the crash. Piaggio P.180 Avanti II: N141JT: Private: 0: Georgetown, TX: sub: 09-JUN-2018: Piaggio P.180 Avanti II: N977RS: private : 0: Tivat Airport (TIV/LYTV) w/o: 03-JAN-2019: Piaggio P.180 Avanti: N990RS: Rainbow Sandals Retail Inc. 0: 20 nm W of Kelowna, BC: In a jet this would have resulted in a go-around from 10 miles out. The main wing of the airplane is very small (172.2 square feet, slightly less than a Cessna 210s) and very highly loaded. Hah, you think the owners don't care about safety? Height / 13 ft 1 in Now I find out this has been an issue for several days but nobody told me my flights were in jeopardy. Technology and Comfort The plan appeared to be working well until Genoa ATC advised of a 45-minute hold at GIKUT for an instrument approach. A traffic target can be out of view in certain positions, at around 2 oclock for the left-seater or 11 oclock for the right-seater. Frequent heading changes are required to stay in the area and this allowed me to quickly get a feel for the Avanti. Wingspan / 46 ft 1 in Having briefly sampled the cruise characteristics, we discussed a simulated emergency descent to 15,000 feet for some medium-level handling. It is not, at least not primarily. I still recall going into one of the back hangers and see MX personal taking parts off of other P180s and putting them on other P180s. Avantairs demise, parts scarcity, and maintenance headaches combine to make P180 ownership a challenge. The Nov. 16, 2011 engine failure and emergency landing at Flint, MI and veering off the runway and flipping on its back (all 4 occupants suffered minor injuries) shows pilot poor skills for sure and serious concern about engine maintenance. When Flying first flew the Avanti in 1990, we predicted that its great fuel efficiency would be a big selling point, and that has been true. Furloughs.too bad. Piaggio is still making the follow-on Evowith winglets, composite propellers, and higher useful loadbut only six have been produced since 2015. Piaggios appearance at the Singapore Airshow in February lifted hopes somewhat that the design can survive. On first glimpse, the cabin interior is impressive, with a two-place bench seat opposite the door, a single sideways-facing seat on the same side as the door and four club-arranged seats leading to a full privacy toilet. The Starships forward canard controls pitch whereas the Avanti has a conventional stabilizer/elevator surface. Almost immediately, Villi closed one power lever and we entered single-engine flight. He descended to 1,000 feet to position for a visual arrival to Runway 10 with a touch-and-go. There is a lot owners don't know and it is shocking. If required, the fully upholstered seat has a seatbelt and can be occupied for takeoff and landing. While the forward wing is not fitted with an elevator, it does have a flap, or set of flaps, depending on how you look at it. My friend, the Captain, requested the FO remain with the passengers, who continued their verbal tirade as the Captain DID complete a postflight, although abbreviated under duress. I had a few seconds to get the feel of the Evo in the landing configuration before I was flaring for touchdown and gradually closing the power levers. WebAt approximately the same time, the Piaggio P.180 received a traffic advisory. Please contact me at the e-mail address below if you are interested. 36 dated 11 April 2019 to the P.180 Avanti Pilot's Operating Handbook and AFM (Report 6591). His record is pristine and out of Vegas, PS Albany has treated him so bad. I asked Grant to put the gear up on positive rate of climb, and soon thereafter I called for the flaps to be retracted. In the end, the Avanti IIs configuration allows it to achieve light jet speeds in the same way as light jets do, by using a very small, highly loaded wing to go with a good dose of power. I got an email at about 10:30 last night saying cancelled for the reasons stated in this email, with the same offer to find me a charter ay my expense. Though the very basic levers dont look as though they have reverse capability, they do, though it requires a healthy lift on the levers to get them back over the gate to provide propeller braking to slow things down on the ramp and taxiways. If the fleet was grounded last saturday then why were pilots sent out assignments to fly? Villanova requires a specific qualification as it sits in a bowl surrounded by mountains with an MSA of 11,200 feet to the west, so Villi briefed he would fly the departure from Runway 9 and demonstrate a performance takeoff. While its fleet was grounded, Avantair outsourced trips to third-party charter operators or, in some instances, told customers it was unable to conduct their flights, a spokesman told AIN. When the crew explained that MYF was below approach minimus due to the CAT B limitation, the owner used abusive language and accused them of lying. With regard to maintenance all you need to do is get an engineer to do you monthly checks and for the big ones send it to Dusseldorf. The twin turboprop Avanti EVO is the third-generation version of the Piaggios Avanti P.180, a model introduced in the 1990s that led to the creation of Piaggio Aero Industries. Piaggio succeeded in its design goals to create a large cabin as well as a very fast design that puts it squarely in the light jet arena. The use of alloys instead of composites was a purposeful choice for Piaggio Aero, which certified the airplane more than 20 years ago at a time when there were few successful composite models and sheet metal seemed to augur a shorter approval program than plastics did. The forward wings are designed to stall first to assist in lowering the nose at the stall, and the ventral fins also add pitch down moment. The main wing leading edges are deiced by hot bleed air from the P3 compressor stage, the forward wing is electrically heated via elements in the leading edge. Management is out for their gain and don't care for the customers, after all it is the customers who legally own the airplanes, not the company. With fully reversionary flat-screen displays with a host of safety utilities, including TCAS, TAWS, satellite weather and more, the avionics suite is top-notch, and Piaggio Aero has been working with Rockwell Collins since the introduction of the Avanti II to add upgrades as they became available. The release I posted above came directly from Avantair media relations. Piaggio will also increase the Evo's maximum zero fuel weight (MZFW) to 10,200 pounds, up from 9,800 pounds. I managed the deceleration to approach speed with very small movements of the power levers and maintained final approach speed quite easily. Aircraft Owners & Pilots Association Find it free on the store, Powerplants / (2) 850-shp Pratt & Whitney Again, to me, the control force on the rudder appears heavy, but effective, and the yaw is easily contained. Access to the cabin is straightforward, the upper two-thirds of the door on the port side, just behind the flight deck, opens toward the nose of the aircraft, and a gust lock keeps it flush to the side of the fuselage. WebThats why the Piaggio Aero P180 Avanti II is a green aircraft. This, along with the airplanes great cabin and operating economies, has made the Avanti II the airplane that has helped create the remarkable success of charter and fractional operator Avantair, which operates 57 Avantis. So as fast as it is at cruise, its block times suffer as a result of the climb speed and relatively low Vmo (260 indicated) and Mmo (Mach 0.70) limitations. As we climbed, the Vmo of 260 knots was displayed at the top of the speed tape on the PFD and the climb speed was maintained at 160 knots, reducing by one knot for every 1,000 feet above FL300. The pilots had secured an engine and were having orientation issues due to instrumentation failures. Copyright 2023 AIN Media Group, Inc. All Rights Reserved. My husband works for Avant and is currently wondering what's happening as well But, I'm sure that you could have done much better. Its a hard transition for a pilot coming back to PT6s after having flown modern fadec turbofans from Williams and, yes, from Pratt & Whitney. This is another advantage of a turboprop. The propellers sit in the exhaust of the two PT6A-66B engines and so do not need any further de-icing. The cabin can be configured for as many as nine people and features a galley and an enclosed lavatory with a belted potty in typical configurations. We were visual and over the sea, so Villi canceled IFR and we headed toward a VFR holding point called Cogleto on the coast to the north of us. A flight credit has very little value unless and until we fly again. 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