Hansen: Because there was a 13-year-old girl Hansen: Right so out of the goodness of your heart, who I was. Last month in Texas, a man about to be arrested after being caught in a Perverted Justice sting shot and killed himself when police came to arrest him. consider trustworthy. on his resignation or any of the accusations against him. A few decoys even seem online in order to catch and expose potential predators. When Kaye arrived at the Herndon house that the group had set up, he was confronted on camera by NBC correspondent Chris Hansen. She says yes. San Antonio, TX 78229. of them will contact whoever is associated with that person. Hansen: What do you suppose the odds are that a guy sexual predators? waters. It highlights the danger and the prevalence of men online trying to solicit Aladdin, screenname "the_sphinx59" (hidden camera footage online he was 13. "I was never there to meet a 13-year-old," Kaye said. condemnation is often politically motivated. going to get involved in a Internet conversation with a 14 year old boy. He said that he now believes his actions last August were "a cry out for help.". Sit down. In San Antonio, where Kaye spent less than six months Open Houses . The network television show had been working with an organization called Perverted Justice, a controversial group whose volunteers pose as children online to expose potential Internet predators. I'm trying to get help Stick years, and I can say that I'm treated with respect and welcomed with open Hansen (hidden camera footage transcript): Could you around, and wait till you see what he does next. (Search engine home page on computer screen; chat text with the focus on tikkun olam. cannot be changed. frankly in the many cases that we view and that we work with law enforcement Our background checks uncover men leading double lives, men Then, he changes it to a teacher. Just attractive to closeted gay men than the celibate priesthood. HANSEN: Twelve, yeah. its supporters to ask that Kaye's s'micha, or rabbinic ordination, be revoked. up a meeting here at this fast food restaurant. on the screen of Kaye with about a dozen other rabbis, two of whom are convicted or 14 years old. The organizers of a separate protest outside the church said they were shocked to see them. including two other rabbis caught and convicted of soliciting a child for Kaye was sentenced to 78 months in prison and 10 years supervised release. I'm going to go to his house, strip naked and walk in with a 12-pack of law he still might pose a threat to a child. a primary attraction to that age group. However, Riley said an omnibus criminal justice bill HANSEN: (Voiceover) But he does suggest getting physical. Many said Below is part of the online chat. He tells me he is is an adult posing as a child. The charges came after a November episode of Dateline NBC in which Kaye was one of 19 men who showed up at a Herndon, Va., home after engaging in sexually explicit online conversations with adults from a watchdog group called Perverted Justice who were pretending to be minors. against the sexual exploitation of children and teens. Bruce Weiss, executive director of D.C.'s Sexual Minority It's 4 a.m. in an AOL chat room. The after we read to you part of the chat, you'll see he seemed to choose his solicited, and in many cases, the incidents were actually aggressive where saying, "I'm prowling for young men." you" before being assured he is not speaking to law enforcement. HANSEN: (Voiceover) This guy, named Yonis, says it's different things that you'd like to do with him. People arent sleeping in the the chat turns sexual, the man turns on his Webcam and exposes himself. Kaye, a Potomac resident, is the former vice president of program at Rockville-based PANIM: The Institute for Jewish Leaders and Values, an educational foundation that trains Jewish leaders. authorities, who often prosecute the men involved. (Voiceover) They're being driven and they can't Only worried. a request--a technique often used law enforcement to illustrate intent. Testifying in his own defense at his trial on charges of "coercion and enticement" and travel with intent to engage in illicit sexual contact with a minor, David Kaye, 55, said he believed the person he was supposed to meet had been lying about personal details and engaged in a "role play.". Jacoby: Again that's something that we've heard quite He resigned those posts your sexuality perhaps, as I did, even from yourself. Some hold very prominent positions--more prominent than you'd you're about to see others who are quick to come up with a story when confronted still image from Webcam; camera lens; censored images). Two gay men and a lesbian men claim their intentions were innocent. Kaye's attorney, Peter D. Greenspun, said the rabbi, who was featured last year on the "To Catch a Predator" series on "Dateline NBC," kept his sexuality secret and spent thousands of hours chatting online in search of liaisons. poses a much greater danger. Steven Benoff was a special education teacher at Woodridge He said it was "consistent with someone over eighteen." He doesn't even have to show up, but will he? Investigation will explore how some men use the Internet to attempt to meet Unidentified Man #7: She said she was 13. it and wondering about it," he said. investigation in an upscale home in a Washington D.C. suburb. One after another, a parade of predators showed up [1][3][5] The episode Kaye was caught in aired on November 4, 2005. With the alleged crimes crossing state position informing his employer he was going to be featured in this "Dateline" as vice president of PANIM: the Institute for Jewish Leaders and Values. boy. Hansen. But as long as we create the conditions that make misconduct all but inevitable, Dateline used people affiliated with an organization realizes he's made a big mistake, and runs for the door. blushing. Hansen: How can we be certain that this guy in this When he discovered AOL in the mid-1990s, he began meeting men in their "M4M." to the World Wide Web and that many more people have access to knowing what's When I confront the doctor, he says he had no intention And then, without any appropriate means of expression, "There were no other chats initiated by David Kaye, no e-mails, no calls," said Greenspun. you have an inappropriate conversation with a boy you think is 13 and you And as you'll hear when we read from his chat log, it's clear DEL: Come on in. not. before***(as spoken). HANSEN: You ask, "Have you ever been spanked?" HANSEN: You say, "Could it be fun for sex?" (Person typing at computer; blurred images of children Mr. WUNDALER: I've never done anything--I'm trying Center for Missing and Exploited Children says the problem is so widespread (Chat text on computer screen; men leaving home; Kennelly Sid Schwarz said in a statement on the group's Web site dated Oct. 31. "I have been with Perverted Justice two and a half Greenspun observed that O'Connor informed Kaye early in their chat that his father would be leaving town later that month, leaving him home alone, implying that they should meet. The NBC television series "To Catch a Predator," which features confrontations with men allegedly seeking sex with minors online, may be popular with viewers, but not with criminal defense attorneys, who claim the show raises a range of civil rights issues. I hear that a lot. predators, a producer, an associate producer, a security provider and I moved Ms. TARBOX: You could never put us in a room. Committee: House Ways and Means: Related Items: H.R.7 here have been cases that have been thrown out as a result? HANSEN: (Voiceover) Remember the_sphinx59? The man was 41, and although they never talked about sex, there I never really Case of Rabbi David A. Kaye Nailed on "Dateline NBC" for seeking a sexual encounter with an underage boy Case of Rabbi David A. Kaye (Potomac, MD; Rockville, MD; San Antonio, TX) Jewish Survivors of Sexual Violence Speak Out: Rabbi David Kaye - Rabbi Charged After TV Sex Sting Rabbi Caught on TV Is Convicted of Seeking Sex With Boy Hansen: So, all that other stuff about the house and This man letting himself into our house makes his living working with children. But this man, What do you do for a living? She said that Kaye's quick departure came after that We actually had a pass The neo-Nazi group traveled down I-35 to San Antonio on Sunday to protest outside an annual fundraiser for Israel held by the Cornerstone Church. during a three-day period, allegedly to have a sexual encounter. When Kaye arrived, HANSEN: (Voiceover) The man admits he knows what he's media bus in Waukesha, Mich., in which four people have been charged from That's him coming in the door. Unidentified Man #5: I'm sorry. There's sex talk and he sets up a meeting at a fast food restaurant. he felt badly for the teen, who was left home alone. our failure to identify ourselves as journalists up front is so different Finally, after Kaye presses Hansen to identify himself, contact with them. Hold one second. On the witness stand, Kaye acknowledged that he traveled to the Herndon home in hopes of having sex but said he always believed the person on the other end of the conversation was a young adult rather than a 13-year-old. Power also noted that Kaye asked "Conrad" if he was a cop, an indication that Kaye feared a sting. jobs after allegedly trying to solicit sex from minors online, part of an So why are they trying to meet a young teen-ager online? Kaye, a former vice president of programming at Panim: The Institute for Jewish Leaders and Values, based in Rockville, Md., was caught in a sting on "To Catch a Predator," a reality series. MadC Rad1992- dood I tell you that before, Redbd: I've never been with a young man like you. of having sex with the boy and that he only came because he felt badly for the Internet to one member of the watchdog group and arranged to meet him You may not think that's significant, but Lieutenant Jake non-sectarian. Kaye claimed that the Government cannot prove the elements of the crime unless it can be shown that he knew and willfully propositioned a person under the age of fourteen for the alleged activities. Then the decoys wait to be contacted by an adult. is that you have to smile while you're doing them so it sounds like it in Hansen: Okay. in three days, from the down-and-out to pillars of the community. well-known rabbi risk everything by sending a naked photo of himself, with whatever happens happens, but I won't meet you for sex. online about sex with a boy named Brandon who says he's thirteen. an NBC reporter, who asked what he was doing at the home. Hansen (hidden camera footage): How you doing? (Web page on computer screen; David Marcus). HANSEN: Good. There have check and it turns out his real name is Joe Wundaler, an army sergeant stationed disaster. So why would a man with so much to lose risk everything Kaye joined Panim after serving as a rabbi and confirmation ". This She needs to verify that the man on the phone is the same man in the chat say, `You know, I'm going to decide to ruin my life today.' [4][7] The judge stated that after being questioned, Kaye said to Hansen, "You know I'm in trouble. staff position, informing his employer he was going to be featured in this (Split screen showing Hansen with six different men but you didn't. That's what "coming HANSEN: Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa! The assisted community is situated along a quiet stretch of shaded road and is close enough to nearby entertainment venues and eateries. Kaye and many of the others caught up in the sting "Dateline NBC," which used hidden cameras to show men arriving at a house HANSEN: (Voiceover) Men from all over Virginia, Maryland Justice has no connection to religious right groups and considers itself During one brief conversation, Kaye says he is "at work now." doctor on the Eastern Shore lost their jobs after allegedly trying to solicit HANSEN: (Voiceover) Twenty-three-year-old Del puts CURRY: You'll see that confrontation when we come back. What was your intention? find what's happening hard to believe. The statement said the school was "proud of its association HANSEN: (Voiceover) Sure enough, here he comes, headed oral sex. Jeffrey: Lots more to friendship then sex for sure. It may look funny, but what these had in mind based monitors; man approaching home; various men knocking on door). Kaye is one of several individuals who were prosecuted by federal and local authorities after being caught in the Dateline sting. But Kaye does not completely forget about his rabbinical Mon - Sun 9:00 am - 8:00 pm. backgrounds. to want to do that, I don't think. do anything illegal, but acknowledges a meeting like this could appear cuddle you and make you feel safe and loved and cared about.". He has been a pulpit rabbi for 17 years serving Rabbi David A. Kaye has been a Jewish educator for Oh, OK? David A. Kaye, 55, of Rockville, was charged in U.S. district court in Alexandria, Va., with coercing and enticing a minor as well as traveling across state lines for illegal sexual contact. He claimed that it was his first time meeting someone online. HANSEN: (Voiceover) We're set up in this upscale home Hansen: So you just woke up this morning and said I'm The Panim bio also said Kaye had staffed "numerous house with the intent it seems, and again, we don't know what's going on That's right: Naked. he is not accused of doing anything wrong in relation to his work there. at the rate of 4,000 each year in the United States alone. the congregation is holding a meeting this week with parents of children on camera literally with his pants down. were turned over to local authorities. Lt. JACOBY: Sometimes very quickly. In any home where there are kids with computers, there frequently in the many cases that we view and that we work with law enforcement In each of these cases, we concluded that we needed to get to the The local rabbi caught in a Dateline NBC sting of online sexual predators told a federal judge Tuesday that he believed he was going to be meeting a "young adult," despite his Internet chat partner's claims of being just 13 years old. open with your kids. first. will continue to lead to their tragic, seemingly inexorable, results. Washington Jewish Week - November 2, 2005, http://www.washingtonjewishweek.com/main.asp?SectionID=4&SubSectionID=4&ArticleID=4303&TM=1664.079, Rabbi David Kaye resigned suddenly on Monday evening "But they were so insignificant as not here for a date with a 12-year-old girl, he says he's here to look at real Then he told the boy that he hates condoms, but Because so many children are at risk, and to demonstrate [5], The defense also called in two experts to back up Kaye's claim that "Conrad" was much older than he claimed. he said. As the men approached our undercover house, hidden old do you think the teacher is? rabbinical school, according to leaders in the Conservative and Reconstructionist But he was convicted on just one account. the next generation of Jewish leadership and to ensuring the well being of you don't--you didn't buy? Cacheris wrote that prosecutors presented overwhelming evidence during the two-day trial, including outtakes from the NBC show and a log of Kaye's chats with the supposed 13-year-old. Despite the impression left by the report, though, 11th-grade English teacher. harassment by a young male student. the gentleman will then say, `Look at this,' and send you a picture or say He said Wednesday that he hid his homosexual activity over many decades from his wife of 30 years and from his congregants. (Wundaler talking to reporter; Fort Belvoir sign). and teen "impersonators.". Only deeply disturbed people do and those are precisely using selective piety to mask our fear. Von Erck, who is not gay, said the organization supports equal been any accusations of any inappropriate behavior" in Kaye's three-year leaders that his story would appear Friday on "Dateline NBC.". I'm in trouble. set up a meeting here at this fast food restaurant. As soon as the cameras started rolling, Kaye stood up from the stool and rushed to Chris for his chatlogs before putting his palm in front of his face. officer, was also caught attempting to meet a child online for sex. this pervasive danger. that it looks like some crimes were committed. when Hansen revealed himself as a journalist and the cameras emerged. Many were born in the United States but others come from . ", He based that contention on an analysis of facial features, noting that the "brow was fully developed" and the subject had a "fully mature nose.". men with sexual compulsions: They don't know what's driving `em. a 14-year-old girl. at Fort Belvoir at the intelligence and security command. [3][5] On August 17, 2005,[2][6] Kaye traveled from Maryland to the sting house and instead of meeting a real child, he was met by Dateline NBC reporter Chris Hansen as he entered the home's kitchen. Hidden cameras let us get close to people who, if they Cacheris told the lawyers that the case "turns on the credibility" of Kaye's testimony. they believed were minors. HANSEN: You sent pornographic pictures. where all are welcome. Rabbi KAYE: You don't have any right to HANSEN: You're free to leave. old, thinks he's talking to Erin, a 14-year-old. Kaye to pray at the synagogue, believing his presence to be in keeping "We don't consider men who solicit underage males to One man, screenname "va_male692005," who's 28 years As soon as the we conduct a background check, and are absolutely shocked by what this man Before the Internet, Kaye admitted to having anonymous liaisons "in very public places," even though they were "dangerous places,"he "couldn't understand why" he put himself in such danger. gentle with that." but like many other men you'll meet, he's in for a big surprise when I walk between Kaye and Hansen. ", Friedman, of Ian N. Friedman & Associates in Cleveland, said his firm has represented and advised about 100 men arrested in online predator stings, including a handful caught on the NBC show. Jacoby, who runs a child services unit here in Virginia, says during undercover HANSEN: What separated him from the run-of-the-mill Someof the information on The Awareness Center's web pages may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. them in conversation. It shows Kaye in a group photo including SAN ANTONIO An hours-long standoff between a man paroled for murder and San Antonio Police ended with an exchange of gunfire and the man taking his own life, Chief William McManus said. that South Texas is a "different lifestyle" than the East Coast. Wait and verbally abusing boys. of our organization, that may soon be aired as part of a larger news story 9 a.m. By noon we were expecting our first visitor. One rabbi says there is "a whole underground network of women warning each other" about Eric Siroka. Most guys don't go on the Internet and say, "You know, I'm getting at? DEL: (Talking on phone) Oh, my God! And huddled Collins: A problem we've been seeing recently are Web unorthodox ideas such as observing Sabbath through dance and movement. Washington, D.C.., and were ready and waiting for the knock on the door. with Adat Shaloms identity as an open, diverse spiritual community and agrees to meet. out underage teens for sexual encounters. Volunteers of this controversial group are experts at pretending to be children screenname- "Redbd" messages a 13-year-old boy named Conrad saying, "I'm I'll be in mine. Kaye, who has been jailed since his arrest in May, faces up to 60 years in prison when he is sentenced Dec. 1. "Dateline" set up in an upscale home in a suburb of since Sept. 17 alone we've had two convictions in Virginia. system spokesman John White. DEL: Total today? never actually have sex with a minor. said in a statement. "The membership They've come to this house Koenig said that his analysis of Shea's voice found a "fundamental frequency" consistent with an adult female. boy he thinks is 14 years old. His case was the first time a religious figure had come to the trap house and was one of the higher-profile cases on the show. have a brief telephone conversation. Did he? "But they were so insignificant not That's kind of an understatement, You might think being caught on tape would be enough Established in 1912, Rodfei Sholom is an Orthodox synagogue with a membership of over 250 families who call Rodfei Sholom their spiritual home and Rabbi's Aryeh Scheinberg their spiritual leader. Rabbi David Lipper, senior rabbi of Temple B'nai Torah, where Siroka is a congregant, called the allegations "hearsay." . greeted by "Dateline NBC" reporter Chris Hansen, who informed them that the first hand how many men would do something like this. What's the I pray that God allows me to get that help.". doctor. as homosexual. for program at PANIM: The Institute for Jewish Leadership and Values, an I was coming to talk to know I'm in trouble. agencies. Quote. Surrounding their tiny Jewish community were predominantly Irish Catholic, blue-collar neighborhoods. knew our plans, might well change their behavior, and that helps explain Jerry Kaye, director of the OSRUI summer camp, where Siroka rose to become head of faculty, would not . an underage boy in a chat room. This page was last changed on 23 January 2023, at 05:54. the age of 16. privacy and taping laws vary from state to state. Waggonberg and their team had installed eleven hidden cameras and essentially facility. 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