Its very specific, and it aint Amy, and it was never going to be Amy. So, when she first mentioned Gary, theres just this subtle thing on her face thats just so wonderful. No votes? The second he said it, it was just like, Oh, my God. So, I guess because of his simplicity, dare I say, I dont blame him quite as much as I blame her. What do you think was in the bag (s)? People started laughing, and then it just started that kind of rolling laughter, because youd watched nine shows of very clean, normal clips, and then all of a sudden Julia just called down hellfire. Minus the now-deceased Ben (Kevin Dunn), the gang was all there, including two-term President Richard Splett (!, Sam Richardson) and ex-con Gary, who placed the Dubonnet lipstick that they had been saving for a special occasion on her casket. The takedown of Tom James is three years in the making. Im just gonna simply say too easy. Thats actually kind of the perfect paring, if shes the ventriloquist and Im the dummy. And youre right, he did look rough. ): I think Jonah would be great on Homeland. ], This is Daddys Youve had the evil inside you the whole time, its time to embrace your dark side speech.You didnt need these shoes or me. TVLINE | How does this impact their relationship moving forward? If I dont go crazily in, then it invalidates the previous decision. She was all in. Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from Coffy to Jackie Brown. I wanted to come out and remind people just what Veep was. I think it was hard not to infuse that scene of saying goodbye to him in the wings with too much emotion that was coming from me, personally. She's like, 'I'm going out looking good!'". '", The scene, which illustrated the karmic punishment that had been meted out to her, served as an appropriate cautionary ending to a show steeped in corrosive cynicism and selfishness, according to Hale. 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She has to be thinking, This is bad right now and this is a little bit bad for me, but I dont think she can be thinking about how horrific the rest of her life is going to be. In that episode Gary has a private company take Selina's garbage back to her home residence. . Whats not in Garys bag. In her monomania to become President, she sold out her most loyal servant and the person who loved her the most: Gary. TVLINE | Were you surprised by Garys outburst? "Today the world mourns the loss of this towering and beloved figure," intoned Mike, and as he moved to face the wrong camera, the last words by a character on Veep were spoken: "Let's take a look at the storied career of Tom Hanks, American icon. As the bagman to the politician, Hales Gary Walsh is in her ear, primping her body and miming her every move always one heartbeat away from the woman he has long served. Selina wasnt a robot. 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Oscars Best Picture Winners Best Picture Winners Emmys STARmeter Awards San Diego Comic-Con New York Comic-Con Sundance Film Festival Toronto Int'l Film Festival Awards Central Festival Central All Events How Marvel went big with Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. It was a sadistic death blow. Thats what was so beautiful about the way Dave [Mandel] wrote and directed the episode. Furlong, I think would be up there with Amy. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. And even though I looked at all the takes, Julia was the one who said, No, no, no take a look, I think I reacted when I hear the name. And I went back and I saw what she did, what she was talking about, so its intercut much more so that he says Maam, Gary and then youre back on her so it plays on her face, the realization moment. Something serious mustve went down to silence Selina like that. Oh, yes. When he would give her what she needed. Veep is an HBO satirical dark comedy about the various dysfunctional staffers in the office of ineffectual Vice President of the United States Selina Meyer, played by Julia Louis-Dreyfus (of Seinfeld and The New Adventures of Old Christine fame). "Gary and Selina cohabit a dysfunctional not-quite-romance: brutal, abusive, pathetic and unbalanced, but, at the same time, almost in spite . "I have this Forrest Gump-ian way of touching something and it becomes a hit!" We spend so much time trying to make the irrational rational and hes thinking, Theyre gonna wake up, theyre gonna wake up. She never did. But Im guessing it was all very like an angry divorced couple that kind of bumps into each other at the lawyers office. I think for the rest of her life she will tell herself it was worth it. So Im really deeply going to miss it, really bad. Im just not sure either of them has the ability to get to that step. 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The 15 percent who said no to a Labor Day reveal feel as Eman does: "Some things are more beautiful when left unexplained.". For this scene they just bring up the day in which something happened. Developed by Armando Iannucci, it is a long-awaited (five years!) We are in a world now, where this anti-vax stuff is happening, because people just dont believe science and facts. He was the one who believed the most in the purity and potential of government. He seems goofy enough to pull it off, he simply says, I think he just thinks corduroy is not very tasteful.. Shes about to become president again and that is the biggest joy of Garys life. (Photo: HBO) It's been a well-received season of change for HBO's Veep, but as we found out when we posed showrunner David Mandel . And obviously, I understand why especially in the seven-episode structure, his rise was perhaps even more meteoric than it would have been in the ten-episode structure. Even as Pullman Company and railroad workers were striking, Congress passed legislation in June 1894 making the first Monday in September a federal legal . Im always surprised with Gary. They were very lovely, we miss them, and my mom loved the show, he says. He was a huge fan of the show. ", "It was just f---ing fabulous!" Exactly. It was probably the most heartwarming Youre my hatchet man line ever delivered.Weve played a lot with the notion of this horrific dad she had, over the past three years. He does like the intellectual exercise of imagining how the show could be done without TV-MA language. And as we started doing this season, we werent trying to be greedy, but I wrote down this idea that wed end up back in the Oval and Sue would be there. And then I told him that there was a callback to the pilot. I mean, Dan is with who he wants to be. So for him to lay the lipstick on the casket? Thats Washington D.C. for you District of C***s!, MANDEL RESPONDS: Theyre not wrong, he says. But in a career of amoral political moves, and especially in a recent tornado of decisions that saw her cravenly crave a return to the Oval Office at all costsselling out her daughter Catherine (Sarah Sutherland) by outlawing same-sex marriage, selling out Tibet by secretly okaying a Chinese invasion, selling out America by choosing dangerous dolt Jonah (Timothy Simons) as her VPit definitively answered the question that was thematically draped over the season: How far will Selina go to get what she wants? The very first Labor Day in the country was celebrated in 1882, and it became an official federal holiday in 1894. I enjoyed it just because of the fun and the silliness of all the different time periods and all that kind of stuff, the chance to do sort of the Gilbert and Sullivan musical, and that kind of a thing.. That's it lol . This is the main character of a TV show, and you relish in her horribleness. So what is the worst thing that she could do that is unlike anything shes ever done? Hell hath no fury like a perpetually under-appreciated, eternally . We were crying during the table read. I think he has forgiven her. Its been a well-received season of change for HBOs Veep, but as we found out when we posed showrunner David Mandels 13 questions to fans, there are two things you can count on remaining the same: viewers love-hate relationship with Jonah and their shared desire to know what Gary did for Selina on Labor Day. Just like she did with the speech on nomination night. So yeah, there was just a lot of joy. Below, Hale takes us behind the scenes of the epic clash, teases the fallout to come, and sheds light on that Labor Day riddle. But in those quiet recesses, that is when it will just constantly hit her of how its not okay. When approaching the end, showrunner David Mandel said he thought about the most horrible thing Selina could do that would have a deep emotional impact, and thats how he landed on the Gary betrayal. Though she was fatally shot by the president of her fan club in 1995, the 23-year-old was able to accomplish some huge feats - from being credited with catapulting Latin music into the . Im mourning that. says the actress. When she says to him, I need you to do a favor for me. Going to jail was never in the cards of that favor in Garys mind. So that's what brought him back to that funeral because everybody else could care less about her, but he had this kernel of authentic love for her. Not the way they talked about it, no., Its related to Selinas off-camera miscarriage, revealed in Season 1s Full Disclosure. Its hard to imagine it being something that they had already talked about. But I also sort of agree [with Eman]: With Labor Day, at some point you worry that theres no answer that would satisfy anybody, he says. I doubt we ever find out. "Like a dog returning to its vomit" is how Tony Hale recently and colorfully described it. I dont have the secret answer of what Labor Day was, I just liked the idea of a lot of clues that kept changing what you thought about it. She was such a coward that she didnt want to go to someone and say, I dont want to date you anymore. And she had me do it. But I think for Amy, who was all in on Jonah for a variety of reasons some of which were the decisions shed made in her life in the sense of she chose work over possibly a family and then when you make a decision like that, she had to double down with Jonah. Hes definitely not meant for prison. But Hale says that the ultimate revenge may be Selina's, even from the grave. Keith Quinn has become her hatchet man but she doesnt have the relationship with him that she had with Ben [Kevin Dunn]. The joke I always say is, we would sit around trying to think of the stupidest, dumbest thing a president or his staff could do and they kind of outdo that on a daily basis.. All season long and for much of the series Veep has been exploring the question: How far is ex-VP, former POTUS, and forever egotist Selina Meyer willing to go to become president? In the United States, Peter J. McGuire, a union leader who had founded the United Brotherhood of Carpenters in 1881, is generally given credit for the idea of Labor Day. But it was nice to see Veeps international fanbase come out to play: Im European, and Europe has a wonderful history regarding our attitude towards Jews, wrote Viktor, whos from Croatia. Then when shes left alone, she starts to tear up as if shes taking stock of what she has besides this job, and the answer is nothing. Votes were also cast for notoriously incompetent Mike, groper Teddy, vicious Roger Furlong, war hero Danny Chung, stoic Kent (Hard to read and even harder to please, Jamie insisted), and puppet master Ben. Andrew Meyer is the ex-husband of former President Selina Meyer and the father of Catherine Meyer. So I think the level of depravity that happened here, I wasnt necessarily surprised. Yeah. My guess is that I think he was probably in prison for about 20 years. I can't imagine the amount of work that that woman had done to her face. Mandel has stated many times how grateful he is that the writers decided Selina would lose the election and not be in the White House in Season 6. It would be a blast. I mean, it wasnt a healthy relationship and he was certainly complicit in it in the sense of it takes two to tango. "His devotion to her was so evident in those final moments, with the lipstick," she says. This isn't the first time the story of Selena's epic rise to fameand untimely demise in 1995have been put to film. As a whole, I was really satisfied by where they were taking the end because Selina was so awful, so bitter, so narcissistic and so selfish without any empathy. The first Labor Day holiday was celebrated on Tuesday, September 5, 1882, in New York City, in accordance with the plans of the Central Labor Union. I think hed love to go to restaurants and be able to eat, but Im not quite sure hed have a lot to say. His take? They were switching over to the movie side, so the lights came up, and there was no one saying like, And now well go over here. They were taking a pause, and the pause allowed the laughter to keep rolling, and people kind of stared back at us. Get your hands off of him. Its meant to be. As he prepared to personally sing her praises with his "own heartfelt eulogy" of the "underrated" president, he received breaking news in his earpiece that beloved actor Tom Hanks had passed at the age of 88. It seemed that despite the betrayal, on some level, he will always hold a warped torch for Selina. Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from Coffy to Jackie Brown. "He's very bitter. I always catered it to Gary just treating what she was saying as an everyday request and never considering what she was really asking. Maybe at that moment she sticks her toe in that regret pond, but then quickly pulls it out, and moves forward with her miserable selfalone, and without anyone or anything in her life of meaning. Julia Louis-Dreyfus as Selina Meyer. He was ready to do whatever she asked. Its like, what the hell are you doing, dude? Gary was complicit in this hideous relationship in which he chased affection and validation that was never available. So much for Labor Day loyalty. Hopefully there was a support group within that prison that helped him process. What conversations, if any, did you have with him about the ending and wrapping up the show?We saw each other at the premiere in New York. Obviously, it affects millions of same-sex couples, and its horrific. Still, a few folks went for it. We settle all family business. So its such an interesting scene because its so emotional, but it is emotional about sending her off to steel herself to do some really bad s. Selina snapped back at him in anger, and when he and Michelle (Rhea Seehorn) exited the room, she was left with her darker thoughts (the betrayal of Gary, of Catherine, of so much) and started to tear up. Before the moment turned into something more shattering, though, she was jolted out of her daze when the Israeli prime minister calls, and she quickly reverted to charm mode. Post Mortem: Tony Hale Talks Gary and Selina's Epic Clash, Sheds Light on 'Labor Day' Mystery. The Ericsson thing it was funny, it was actually Annas idea, and I thought it was very enjoyable. "It was really emotional because it was the last episode and that was us kind of saying goodbye even though we had other stuff to shoot," he says. Even when we got together and watched the last episode [on Sunday night], just swapping stories and talking about our time in Baltimore. We talk a lot about that. In August 2016, Gomez cancelled the last legs of her Revival world tour to reportedly deal with complications from lupus, including anxiety, panic attacks, and depression. In terms of looks, I will say that the idea of Dan really not aging is one of my all-time favorite ideas. 2023 TVLine Media, LLC. When none of that came to pass, lets do the General thing early in the year and plan her funeral, and then lets jump ahead to the future and see it became the idea. Labor Day is a federal holiday in the United States celebrated on the first Monday in September to honor and recognize the American labor movement and the works and contributions of laborers to the development and achievements of the United States. Early in the season, you gave us a tantalizing and terrifying clue about Labor Day, one in which we learned that it was not a day but a boat, which sends the brain to awful places, along the lines of Natalie Wood or Chappaquiddick. Subscribe for full access to The Hollywood Reporter. Connected to that, having ended up taking the year off, our plans for production were going to probably be later, so we might not have aired until the summer, had we shot pre-cancer. He has no identity outside of Selina Meyer. Desperate to find a fall guy for her scandals with the Meyer Fund and illicit ties to the Chinese government (whom she actively courted to meddle in the election), Selina chose the best man(child) for the job: poor, naive Gary. (Luckily Im not American, then I dont have to live under Trump direction.). But you saw that tinge of humanity in her that made her sad. The actors don't even know. She cant even say it to him. They were putting those two things together and thinking that education is bad, and Im sorry, I think thats wrong. On a personal note, Mandel says the Rizzoli & Isles writers were wonderful neighbors. WATCH. They sent us something when we won the Emmy. There was anger in his farewell words, but also a sense of love. It dawned that that would be the price, that thats the human sacrifice, and we worked backward from that. She beats him and beats him badly. We had this really nice moment after the screening, just kind of catching up and a little bit of chit-chatting. "That is the end result.". Did you ever consider revealing exactly what happened on Labor Day, or is it one of those things that the answer will never be as satisfying as the speculation and your own imagination?I love that everyone has a theory. Its so incredibly gratifying. What we just spoke about is obviously all of Garys story. I moved for the past seven years anytime she said that and the fact that I had to stay there was like, 'Aww, dammnit! I think he definitely saw her in a different light and I think Selinas legacy is a trail of sadness. When Gary is being taken away by the FBI, he fights it until he sees that shes aware of whats happening. she concluded. Its completely void of any joy. My story is that Im super bummed its over! At turns heartbreaking and hilarious, the showdown expertly acted by Emmy winners Julia Louis-Dreyfuss and Tony Hale dramatically altered the power dynamic between the two characters, while also setting up a doozy of a mystery: What did Selina do on that fateful Labor Day, and how exactly didGary cover (or clean) it up? "When somebody else comes to her, it was so hard to watch that and not run to her," shares Hale. Copyright 2023 Meredith Corporation. "I remember I was outside the room watching the monitor, hearing her go 'Gary' and I couldn't move. I guess that would be a real problem. In some interesting, weird way, Im almost curious as to what he wouldve done had she actually asked him. Was one of the messages of the finale, If you have been rooting for Selina all along, you chose very poorly, and were here to not-gently remind you of that?That is the wonderful thing. Did you feel the weight of it while you were shooting it? When history looks back on Selina Meyer, Im not sure anyone will ever have anything great to say about her being vice president or either of the times she was president. Maybe its all for the best. That was a nuclear bomb. When did you decide to play that devastating card, and how did you decide that she would stoop that low?I refer to it in the [writers] room a little bit as the Fredo moment [from The Godfather Part II], for many reasons, but also just the lovingness and the loyalty of poor Fredo and, of course, of poor Gary Originally that was not happening. I feel like the real road not taken for him wouldve been like a childrens dentist. Broken to its bones. How are you doing with your feelings of Veep being over? And so in becoming president, Montez would have held on to her, and that there would have been a moment or two when we went back to the Montez White House, or even maybe trying to call Montez and Sue would have answered the phone, some version of that. And so, Julia e-mailed him, and then we got back this very quick auto-response, that was like, Im traveling. MANDEL RESPONDS: As far as Gary and Selina parting ways, We think about that. I was like, 'Oh! And I love how Veep showed that full-circle moment with her. And were going to see him again. And whose was the hardest to settle on?I most loved Richard being president, and I loved the three-state solution to the [Israeli-Palestinian] crisis, because even I as the writer have no idea what the third state is. I think he might view Selina with a little more empathy and compassion. Sign up for THR news straight to your inbox every day, Inside the business of TV with breaking news, expert analysis and showrunner interviews. You dont really want Selina to be president, you kind of want Julia to be president. Gary disposed of a body for her. And what that says to me is, again, another picture of her weakness and her cowardice. So the second they start to correct her, she shouts them down, Get those idiots out of the office.. Its revealed that she never visited Gary in prison, yet he shows up at her funeral and gives her the special lipstick. So even when shes with people, shes a little bit alone. She just sent him to jail and knowing Selina, she's not going to get him out. Oh, no, no, no!' All Rights Reserved. I mean, any opportunity I can get to work with any of these folks would be awesome. Jess remembered that Selina cares for horses, an indication she does have a heart. She roots for Selina because she is unapologetically female in a mans world. MANDEL RESPONDS: Its interesting. Its time to make everybody pay. IMDb, the world's most popular and authoritative source for movie, TV and celebrity content. Not sensing any approaching doom, Gary asked if she wanted coffee from across the street and pointed out that it was a chia seed in her mouth. "And there's nothing anyone can do to stop me from standing and walking for my country!" And then when she was writing the book with Mike, a little bit more about her father. And at one point, we even talked about in the episode where you would meet the General and he plans her funeral, the credits of that episode would be the funeral. And I do think in some ways getting away from her mother was the best thing that ever happened to her. "I thought it was really interesting that everybody is in old-age makeup, everybody's looking rough, we're all really old, and the only one that is not in old-age makeup is Selina," says Hale. !, Matt Walsh) was about to deliver a heartfelt eulogy about Selina to his viewers, but in the ultimate karmic-cruel joke, he had to cut his report short to cover more important breaking news: the death of Tom Hanks. They talked about it, no., its related to Selinas off-camera miscarriage, revealed in Season 1s Disclosure... 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